Obama has signed the FAA Reauthorization Bill. The UAW, Steelworkers, Transportation Communications Union (IAM) and Teamsters along with at least 15 other major trade unions objected to the bill.
Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein declares she would have vetoed the bill. She describes Obama’s approval of the anti-union changes to the Railway Labor Act as a “betrayal of working America."
What has this legislation set in motion? It erases long time protections of THOUSANDS of railroad and airline workers. The Democrats claim they “compromised” on the bill. Isn’t that rich once again? Taking care of the one percenters for the nth time. For one thing, the percentage of workers who must sign cards authorizing a union representation election is raised from 35% to 50%. It also helps employers delay union elections and collective bargaining, removes PRIVACY protections for union authorization cards so companies can identify and INTIMIDATE workers who might vote to unionize.
Stein sees this as a 180-degree flip-flop of Obama’s promise last March to veto any FAA Reauthorization Bill that contained anti-union provisions. Stein:
Why should anyone give their trust and vote to a President who breaks his word to the men and women who work every day—sometimes at the risk of their lives—to keep our nation’s transportation systems operating
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The free trade agreements being promoted by the Obama Administration are already putting ever-increasing pressure on working America to make concessions regarding wages and benefits. For three decades, employers have pocketed the profits from increasing worker productivity, shortchanged workers on health benefits and pensions and are now bringing in two-tier wage systems in which younger workers are being paid a fraction of the wages paid to older employees. I’m running because working Americans deserve a President who will say ‘no!’ to legislative attacks on the right to organize.
Anthony Prince, a Chicago labor lawyer and Teamsters member, is backing Dr. Stein:
President Obama won labor support in 2008 by saying he would advance the Employee Free Choice Act and other measures to help labor organizing. He dropped that ball. And he didn’t lift a finger to oppose the Right-To-Work law just passed in Indiana. Now this bill gets shoved down the throats of transportation workers. In my view, that’s why union members and all labor need to support someone we can trust, someone proven who’s not tied to the same corporations we go up against every day: Green Party Candidate Jill Stein, a real champion of working people.[cross-posted on correntewire and sacramento for democracy]
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So Jill Stein declared she would have vetoed the bill!
The thing passed congress by a margin that would have insured an override. The move would have been an empty gesture. But maybe that is what the Green Party is all about...empty gestures.
The thing passed congress by a margin that would have insured an override. The move would have been an empty gesture. But maybe that is what the Green Party is all about...empty gestures.
Frank, you always seem to over-identify with the power status quo over the 99 percenters and their real issues. Workers rights not the issue for you clearly. Just who will win in political gamesmanship and if you can't win the principles are not worth a sh*t worthy of consideration and championing? You talk about EMPTY gestures in the same breath as mendacious say anything Obama? You talk about emptiness??? I think a Dem president with a spine vetoing this bill would impact the votes of the Dems in Congress, especially in an election year. But instead they hide out in Obama's smoke and mirrors "I'm doing the best I can" bullshit. Bipartisanship and community organizing to Obama is selling out to the corporatists EVERY TIME after yet another promise not to. Geeez Louise. But keep on championing the American Judas, Frank. Denial has its short term cozy cronyism payoff or long term you are proving, denial and minimization sending him to another term when he really should be impeached if justice prevailed in Post Morality America. The reality of human survival is not worthy of attention, mere details involving the mere unimportant 99 percenters to Obama and his followers. Obama and entourage don't seem interested in such details, like human suffering and the constitutional law and ethics. No biggie!!!
Libby, I have struggled with this for quite awhile. Just how much are we represented here, in this rather hedge -ridden game of being truly represented. Most people do not fully appreciate that were it not for organized labor's struggle, the Minimum Wage would be $6.15 /Hr. Or worse.
You're right, Obama has not adhered to the vision that I had thought he would. Maybe we are gravitating to multiple parties, ones that will not win right away -- but they would drive the need, make the electorate aware of essential issues that are buried.
Who will bring this home?
You're right, Obama has not adhered to the vision that I had thought he would. Maybe we are gravitating to multiple parties, ones that will not win right away -- but they would drive the need, make the electorate aware of essential issues that are buried.
Who will bring this home?
The only people concerned with workers rights are the ones currently losing them. Everyone else apparently hasn't suffered enough yet. Frank is a good guy but is no different than the majority of the population. When it hits him personally he'll change his mind about compromise, he may even have to be completely wiped out financially. We each have diffent wake up calls.
I had a friend that was fine with the status quo, she felt bad about people like me but felt that we could "figure it out." Then she lost her "good" job and is now working two low wage part time jobs and her home was foreclosed on last year. The same thing happened to my cousin, she felt bad about those "less fortunate" until she became very unfortunate, lost her good job and short saled her beautiful condo of 20 years. Life is harsh.
Both of them changed their minds about compromise and the status quo, but they had to lose everything to see the light. Not enough suffering yet to rock the complacent, true change will come when the economy buckles. Unfortunately not everyone will be okay after change comes and our country could well be devastated. Such is life, take care of yourself Libby, be prepared.
Thanks for the info on the Green Party, I wanted change, and what I got was change for the worse.
I had a friend that was fine with the status quo, she felt bad about people like me but felt that we could "figure it out." Then she lost her "good" job and is now working two low wage part time jobs and her home was foreclosed on last year. The same thing happened to my cousin, she felt bad about those "less fortunate" until she became very unfortunate, lost her good job and short saled her beautiful condo of 20 years. Life is harsh.
Both of them changed their minds about compromise and the status quo, but they had to lose everything to see the light. Not enough suffering yet to rock the complacent, true change will come when the economy buckles. Unfortunately not everyone will be okay after change comes and our country could well be devastated. Such is life, take care of yourself Libby, be prepared.
Thanks for the info on the Green Party, I wanted change, and what I got was change for the worse.
There is, no doubt, something persuasive on the surface about Frank who displays some of the colors of a man concerned with decency but his total surrender to Obama on the basis that the lunatics in opposition represent the horrors of hell is revelatory that he has no real answer to Obama's consistent betrayal of the basic necessities of a society in need of support for the general good. Obama's every move has been to sell out to the criminals on Wall Street and the businesses who are inexorably attempting to turn the working public into the underpaid oppressed masses in China.
Yes, Obama is better than the other available choices (except for Hillary), and yes, Obama has sold out to Wall Street; but I am going to say it again, and you guys can laugh all you want. Obama like any other president before or after him gets a list of tasks from the gofers of the big money that he must complete. It does not matter who is president or who is in the congress, they all do what they are told...or else. Excellent post, Libby. R
Considering the power to assassinate Obama has granted to himself I imagine a Wall Street list might not be the right directive if Obama sets his mind to it.
Thanks for your comments and validation and sanity!
inthisdeepcalm, thank you. wonderful points. yes, the rabid rat bastard corporatists know what the real union organizers did for the citizenry, but how taken for granted sick days and minimum wage and insurance compensation and vacation time and disability, etc., etc., etc., is for so many Americans, except to the Americans now losing them along with their jobs, some of them, in extraordinary numbers. Yes, union leaders can and are seduced and corrupted at times the same as our political reps in Congress and governors and mayors, et al. are and can be. But we need unions to represent us. We need and deserve guardians. The bullies are sociopathic. Empathy is gone. Winner take all mentality. And ends justifies the means winners, at that.
The real heros and soldiers for these RIGHTS and constitution-just and EARNED labor entitlements and I emphasize rights, too, because the pols have spun the word "entitlements" as if we have not earned them or they are not humane and part of our right to happiness and liberty and life and should be part of our culture protected by a guardian government not torn away by a dictatorial one -- those who fought and some died for the cause of labor and civil rights must be spinning in their graves at how their efforts are being cavalierly over-ridden by the shock and awe economic crime of the century in which the crooks not only got rescued but are pillaging more money from the taxpaying coffers, getting the congressional puppets to talk austerity and to rip away OUR VERY PROTECTIONS to keep us sliding to out and out enslavement to the corporations if we are supposedly so lucky to still be indentured to them. Because there are people in the Philippines or India or wherever, China, who will work for less money and there is no nationalistic loyalty clearly.
Hey these bastards don't even care about their own children's and their children's children's etc. survival on the planet they have gone that sociopathic out of greed and power lust. Yes, third parties should influence things powerfully if they are not totally blacked out which they are NOW by media and their leaders demonized or minimized like Nader is still and was. They did a pretty good job on noble Kucinich, too, when he bucked the Dem party and let him twist in the wind on his own, the Dem cowards. And the media so quickly minimized him all they could. That group that calls themselves a Progressive Caucus too sure don't have each other's backs or ours seriously. They try to talk the talk but they don't begin to walk the walk. yadda yadda yadda.
bleue!!! very well said about those who have to hit bottom to get empathy and awareness and that so much of the citizenry is simultaneously hitting bottom. How low will this bottom have to be in crazy surreal America???? My cousin used to make a joke when I was singing my blues to her. I guess it was to make me laugh, but it also whammied me with a cold truth. I'd go on and on and she clucked sympathetically. Then take a deep breath and say, "Well, you know, cuz, it could be a lot worse!" I would wait with my own baited breath for some wisdom of optimism and idealism and instead she would say, "It could be happening to ME!!!!" Then she would guffaw and I would eventually join in. But there was truth to what she was saying. Sympathy you can collect from the good will of those around you, but empathy and full out commitment to push oppression back, the will to join in the collective effort to do that, takes a much closer experience!!! And yes, Bleue, I feel the economic ice cracking beneath me as well.
Bleue let me address the rest of the commenters and then tell you all in a sec that I met Jill Stein this week and I WAS DAZZLED!!!! See below!
Jan, you always get to the core of things and express them brilliantly and succinctly! Yes, that triangulation lock that MSNBC personalities and the Axelrod-Rasputins, etc., are so good at fixing, that if the lunatic Republicans get in power all is lost and therefore don't speak of details and reality under the rat bastardly Dems in the NOW who in fact just institutionalized NO DUE PROCESS (which there would have been opposition to if a Repub. had dared to do it ... what a great front man Obama is for these creatures) because of the rabid rat bastardly Republicans, but as I see it, the Dems and Republicans are captured CAPTURED CAPTURED by the RABID RABID RABID sociopathic corporatist RAT BASTARDS. And we need to not get confused -- "fused with" -- the puppets calling out the rabid puppets to hide their own vile pimped out puppetry and pull back the curtain like in the Wizard of Oz and see the real controllers!!!!
5 media chieftains run the world's BIG MEDIA. There really are not all that many .0001 percenters behind that curtain I am thinking!!! The guy at Goldman whistle-blowing proving how the big sharks are being eaten by the bigger sharks, and it goes on and on.
Hey toritto, well said, well said as always. And you are too kind to me re my courage. I can talk the talk but I am fighting my own learned helplessness and fear. And when I met Jill Stein this week I also was dazzled by this young twenty-something OWS woman who put me to shame if you measured our respective commitments to America and how far we each are prepared to go to repair this country and to spiritually honor our own self-respect.
We were talking about the new trespassing law and what it would mean to the protests. And she kept talking about the continuation of the OWS. And I interrupted her thinking she did not understand or I did not understand how now the ante was raised so for these young people who were on the protesting front lines in the OWS being arrested for felonies with long prison times and she looked me in the eye and said, "Well, so I go to prison for 10 years not 1 or whatever. If that is what it takes. That is what is happening internationally. People are fighting back with their lives to STOP THE HORROR. They have robbed me of a future!!!! I believe people will care if I end up in prison for 10 years for protesting the horror in this country." I am paraphrasing of course, toritto, but that was the essence of what she was saying and I sat there with my jaw-dropped down, because I was just about to advise her on how to protest being more cautious and she said with certainty, "THAT WON'T STOP US!"
Talk about a rebirth of the sons and daughters of liberty. Just being around this kind of courage or even bravado was INSPIRING!! I didn't have the confidence the vast majority of citizenry would care if she got thrown in prison for 10 years. This young woman, early 20s maybe, so pretty and smart and energetic and warm ... willing to listen. Not grim either but happy, a clear zest for life. Her big personal challenge and issue in particular was to stop the hydro-fracking and I have heard the thugs fighting those protesters play hardball. talk about spine, SPINE, toritto. It help me stiffen my own.
Charles Ferguson who has done those fantastic documentaries like Inside Job said on Tavis Smiley he thought the damage Obama had done to idealism in this country would wipe it out for a generation or two at the very least. (like after the tank man's performance in China, so many young there didn't even know about that thanks to censorship). People who worked so hard for Obama had been so burned.
This young woman told me, I think it was she, of how hard she had struggled and sacrificed in her life to get Obama president. And she had gone through her stages of grief over that and was back for action against him and all of the puppets in government and she had HOPE!!!! Not bitter, just resolved and proud and with a spiritual courage that took my breath away. I gotta start going to those OWS meetings downtown. I need the courage that is contagious from these AWESOME kids!!!!
Thoth, I agree. I keep saying, I don't know if Obama is a full out sociopathic authoritarian or a more whipped authoritarian follower (I wonder if he has that "overachieving good boy" macho-ego need for rebellion to now prove he can also be a "gangsta" to the good boy ROLE he was made to play for so long, but anyway ... reaction formation, too, but with the craven and crazy amoral media he can have his gangsta/good boy cake and eat it, too) but the policies he is enabling are SOCIOPATHIC to millions. Even genocidal to a significant number of human beings on this planet!!!
Now, you guys, let me tell you, I went to meet Dr. Jill Stein this week at a fund raiser, uber excited but also nervous that she couldn't possibly meet the expectations I have for her to come upon the horizon with and give us a STRONG ALTERNATIVE (IMPERATIVE) to our present capture by the oligarchs and corporatists. SHE WAS EVEN MORE IMPRESSIVE THAN MY IMAGINATION HAD DRAWN HER. She is smart, so very smart and articulate, excellent on her feet, if they let her near anyone to debate she could clean their collective clocks, Republican and especially Obama who is not a details man!!! She gets the forest AND the trees, and sees from both views how they are burning burning burning madly. She has a wonderful grace and openness, and as I watched her I marveled at what a great listener she is and also an intelligent and appreciative listener. Sensible and sensitive! Wow!!!!
When I finally got some one on one time I just started talking and talking and talking (oy vey, a bit overexcited i would say) instead of listening listening listening as I intended but she listened closely and appreciatively and kept commenting so intelligently and adding such wisdom and I was overjoyed.
And she was optimistic. She said it was her fifth time running for office. She had last run on Green ticket for Governor of Mass and dis surprisingly well for a 3rd party candidate. She said she thought this would be a tough campaign, maybe grim, but the people she has met have inspired her so and she really seemed to have serenity and a spiritual radiance about it all. I know, principle above personality, but I gotta tell you I liked her personality and I sensed the character there, real principled character that seems beneath it.
And she is getting embraced beyond the Green party. I hope there will be a Green wave to the party because of her. As she was leaving later on there was a group of us stragglers standing around the fund raiser and she shook hands with each of us and thanked us and I said, "It was an honor to meet you." And I didn't even think she had heard that since she was saying goodbye to so many of us and people were saying stuff at the same time as me, and she began to turn and turned back and looked me and then the rest of us in the eyes and said, "No, it is MY honor!!!" And I just gulped and felt so grateful this strong and present and gracious woman now was leading the Green charge. To God's ear and the rest of America, let some HONEST political games begin!!!! LET MORALITY AND HUMANITY PREVAIL. Chomsky says she is there for PEACE, PEOPLE AND PLANET. I like that slogan!!!
I have to admit, when I told her I thought she should use the rubber tree plant song as her theme song, you know, "High Hopes" she didn't seem on board with that or to get me, but I'll forgive her. And maybe the younger generation I am hoping will help her out wouldn't appreciate that since that "A Hole in the Head" Sinatra movie was so long ago. Sigh. But I always liked the message of that song, or the message from The Little Train That Could story my great aunt used to read to me constantly (because I made her) when I was a toddler!
But I gotta tell ya, she was inspiring!!! And I will do all I can to push her name and her existence out there!!!
Dr. Jill Stein's people and Dr. Stein say there are so many Obama policies to take grave issue with, they have to keep choosing which to address, but they do it well. She laughed and said it is a gift that keeps on giving in a way, the ammunition his irrational and anti-humane and doomed policies are giving to those challenging him. Tragic, too!!! But she must not underestimate the capacity of the citizenry to ignore mountains of evidence!!!!
I am under the weather today but I am so glad I got to read these responses. And also share my adventure meeting Dr. Stein and the OWS heroine!!!!
:) libby
inthisdeepcalm, thank you. wonderful points. yes, the rabid rat bastard corporatists know what the real union organizers did for the citizenry, but how taken for granted sick days and minimum wage and insurance compensation and vacation time and disability, etc., etc., etc., is for so many Americans, except to the Americans now losing them along with their jobs, some of them, in extraordinary numbers. Yes, union leaders can and are seduced and corrupted at times the same as our political reps in Congress and governors and mayors, et al. are and can be. But we need unions to represent us. We need and deserve guardians. The bullies are sociopathic. Empathy is gone. Winner take all mentality. And ends justifies the means winners, at that.
The real heros and soldiers for these RIGHTS and constitution-just and EARNED labor entitlements and I emphasize rights, too, because the pols have spun the word "entitlements" as if we have not earned them or they are not humane and part of our right to happiness and liberty and life and should be part of our culture protected by a guardian government not torn away by a dictatorial one -- those who fought and some died for the cause of labor and civil rights must be spinning in their graves at how their efforts are being cavalierly over-ridden by the shock and awe economic crime of the century in which the crooks not only got rescued but are pillaging more money from the taxpaying coffers, getting the congressional puppets to talk austerity and to rip away OUR VERY PROTECTIONS to keep us sliding to out and out enslavement to the corporations if we are supposedly so lucky to still be indentured to them. Because there are people in the Philippines or India or wherever, China, who will work for less money and there is no nationalistic loyalty clearly.
Hey these bastards don't even care about their own children's and their children's children's etc. survival on the planet they have gone that sociopathic out of greed and power lust. Yes, third parties should influence things powerfully if they are not totally blacked out which they are NOW by media and their leaders demonized or minimized like Nader is still and was. They did a pretty good job on noble Kucinich, too, when he bucked the Dem party and let him twist in the wind on his own, the Dem cowards. And the media so quickly minimized him all they could. That group that calls themselves a Progressive Caucus too sure don't have each other's backs or ours seriously. They try to talk the talk but they don't begin to walk the walk. yadda yadda yadda.
bleue!!! very well said about those who have to hit bottom to get empathy and awareness and that so much of the citizenry is simultaneously hitting bottom. How low will this bottom have to be in crazy surreal America???? My cousin used to make a joke when I was singing my blues to her. I guess it was to make me laugh, but it also whammied me with a cold truth. I'd go on and on and she clucked sympathetically. Then take a deep breath and say, "Well, you know, cuz, it could be a lot worse!" I would wait with my own baited breath for some wisdom of optimism and idealism and instead she would say, "It could be happening to ME!!!!" Then she would guffaw and I would eventually join in. But there was truth to what she was saying. Sympathy you can collect from the good will of those around you, but empathy and full out commitment to push oppression back, the will to join in the collective effort to do that, takes a much closer experience!!! And yes, Bleue, I feel the economic ice cracking beneath me as well.
Bleue let me address the rest of the commenters and then tell you all in a sec that I met Jill Stein this week and I WAS DAZZLED!!!! See below!
Jan, you always get to the core of things and express them brilliantly and succinctly! Yes, that triangulation lock that MSNBC personalities and the Axelrod-Rasputins, etc., are so good at fixing, that if the lunatic Republicans get in power all is lost and therefore don't speak of details and reality under the rat bastardly Dems in the NOW who in fact just institutionalized NO DUE PROCESS (which there would have been opposition to if a Repub. had dared to do it ... what a great front man Obama is for these creatures) because of the rabid rat bastardly Republicans, but as I see it, the Dems and Republicans are captured CAPTURED CAPTURED by the RABID RABID RABID sociopathic corporatist RAT BASTARDS. And we need to not get confused -- "fused with" -- the puppets calling out the rabid puppets to hide their own vile pimped out puppetry and pull back the curtain like in the Wizard of Oz and see the real controllers!!!!
5 media chieftains run the world's BIG MEDIA. There really are not all that many .0001 percenters behind that curtain I am thinking!!! The guy at Goldman whistle-blowing proving how the big sharks are being eaten by the bigger sharks, and it goes on and on.
Hey toritto, well said, well said as always. And you are too kind to me re my courage. I can talk the talk but I am fighting my own learned helplessness and fear. And when I met Jill Stein this week I also was dazzled by this young twenty-something OWS woman who put me to shame if you measured our respective commitments to America and how far we each are prepared to go to repair this country and to spiritually honor our own self-respect.
We were talking about the new trespassing law and what it would mean to the protests. And she kept talking about the continuation of the OWS. And I interrupted her thinking she did not understand or I did not understand how now the ante was raised so for these young people who were on the protesting front lines in the OWS being arrested for felonies with long prison times and she looked me in the eye and said, "Well, so I go to prison for 10 years not 1 or whatever. If that is what it takes. That is what is happening internationally. People are fighting back with their lives to STOP THE HORROR. They have robbed me of a future!!!! I believe people will care if I end up in prison for 10 years for protesting the horror in this country." I am paraphrasing of course, toritto, but that was the essence of what she was saying and I sat there with my jaw-dropped down, because I was just about to advise her on how to protest being more cautious and she said with certainty, "THAT WON'T STOP US!"
Talk about a rebirth of the sons and daughters of liberty. Just being around this kind of courage or even bravado was INSPIRING!! I didn't have the confidence the vast majority of citizenry would care if she got thrown in prison for 10 years. This young woman, early 20s maybe, so pretty and smart and energetic and warm ... willing to listen. Not grim either but happy, a clear zest for life. Her big personal challenge and issue in particular was to stop the hydro-fracking and I have heard the thugs fighting those protesters play hardball. talk about spine, SPINE, toritto. It help me stiffen my own.
Charles Ferguson who has done those fantastic documentaries like Inside Job said on Tavis Smiley he thought the damage Obama had done to idealism in this country would wipe it out for a generation or two at the very least. (like after the tank man's performance in China, so many young there didn't even know about that thanks to censorship). People who worked so hard for Obama had been so burned.
This young woman told me, I think it was she, of how hard she had struggled and sacrificed in her life to get Obama president. And she had gone through her stages of grief over that and was back for action against him and all of the puppets in government and she had HOPE!!!! Not bitter, just resolved and proud and with a spiritual courage that took my breath away. I gotta start going to those OWS meetings downtown. I need the courage that is contagious from these AWESOME kids!!!!
Thoth, I agree. I keep saying, I don't know if Obama is a full out sociopathic authoritarian or a more whipped authoritarian follower (I wonder if he has that "overachieving good boy" macho-ego need for rebellion to now prove he can also be a "gangsta" to the good boy ROLE he was made to play for so long, but anyway ... reaction formation, too, but with the craven and crazy amoral media he can have his gangsta/good boy cake and eat it, too) but the policies he is enabling are SOCIOPATHIC to millions. Even genocidal to a significant number of human beings on this planet!!!
Now, you guys, let me tell you, I went to meet Dr. Jill Stein this week at a fund raiser, uber excited but also nervous that she couldn't possibly meet the expectations I have for her to come upon the horizon with and give us a STRONG ALTERNATIVE (IMPERATIVE) to our present capture by the oligarchs and corporatists. SHE WAS EVEN MORE IMPRESSIVE THAN MY IMAGINATION HAD DRAWN HER. She is smart, so very smart and articulate, excellent on her feet, if they let her near anyone to debate she could clean their collective clocks, Republican and especially Obama who is not a details man!!! She gets the forest AND the trees, and sees from both views how they are burning burning burning madly. She has a wonderful grace and openness, and as I watched her I marveled at what a great listener she is and also an intelligent and appreciative listener. Sensible and sensitive! Wow!!!!
When I finally got some one on one time I just started talking and talking and talking (oy vey, a bit overexcited i would say) instead of listening listening listening as I intended but she listened closely and appreciatively and kept commenting so intelligently and adding such wisdom and I was overjoyed.
And she was optimistic. She said it was her fifth time running for office. She had last run on Green ticket for Governor of Mass and dis surprisingly well for a 3rd party candidate. She said she thought this would be a tough campaign, maybe grim, but the people she has met have inspired her so and she really seemed to have serenity and a spiritual radiance about it all. I know, principle above personality, but I gotta tell you I liked her personality and I sensed the character there, real principled character that seems beneath it.
And she is getting embraced beyond the Green party. I hope there will be a Green wave to the party because of her. As she was leaving later on there was a group of us stragglers standing around the fund raiser and she shook hands with each of us and thanked us and I said, "It was an honor to meet you." And I didn't even think she had heard that since she was saying goodbye to so many of us and people were saying stuff at the same time as me, and she began to turn and turned back and looked me and then the rest of us in the eyes and said, "No, it is MY honor!!!" And I just gulped and felt so grateful this strong and present and gracious woman now was leading the Green charge. To God's ear and the rest of America, let some HONEST political games begin!!!! LET MORALITY AND HUMANITY PREVAIL. Chomsky says she is there for PEACE, PEOPLE AND PLANET. I like that slogan!!!
I have to admit, when I told her I thought she should use the rubber tree plant song as her theme song, you know, "High Hopes" she didn't seem on board with that or to get me, but I'll forgive her. And maybe the younger generation I am hoping will help her out wouldn't appreciate that since that "A Hole in the Head" Sinatra movie was so long ago. Sigh. But I always liked the message of that song, or the message from The Little Train That Could story my great aunt used to read to me constantly (because I made her) when I was a toddler!
But I gotta tell ya, she was inspiring!!! And I will do all I can to push her name and her existence out there!!!
Dr. Jill Stein's people and Dr. Stein say there are so many Obama policies to take grave issue with, they have to keep choosing which to address, but they do it well. She laughed and said it is a gift that keeps on giving in a way, the ammunition his irrational and anti-humane and doomed policies are giving to those challenging him. Tragic, too!!! But she must not underestimate the capacity of the citizenry to ignore mountains of evidence!!!!
I am under the weather today but I am so glad I got to read these responses. And also share my adventure meeting Dr. Stein and the OWS heroine!!!!
:) libby
Based on that, of course, it would not at all have been an empty gesture. What Obama has done is to publicly indicate he agrees with it, something Frank would not admit. It is typical of Obama to succumb to his opponents by not just accepting defeat of his proclaimed principles but to embrace that defeat.
Time to get REAL people. The bill passed the House 248 to 169; it passed in the Senate 75 to 20!!!!
Opposition and support for the bill was all over the place.
To suggest, as Jill Stein does, that this is a “betrayal of working America” says less about the kind of president she would make than about the kind of politician she is…WHICH IS THE SAME KIND OF POLITICIAN THEY ALL ARE.
They will say whatever they have to say in order to appeal to their base…and the base of the Green Party is no less out of touch with reality than is the base of the Republican Party or the Democratic Party.
The fact that Jill Stein portrayed this move by Obama the way she did says volumes about her—she is a typical American politician who more than likely would be as easily corrupted by power should she get it…and is more interested in saying things that will appeal to her base than she is in telling the truth.
I will take Obama’s pragmatism over her lack of it every time…and, frankly, I will take Obama’s mendacity over hers every time also. And without a doubt I trust the judgment of Obama’s supporters more than her supporters.
But I appreciate the fact that we live in a free country and are all allowed to express our feelings on things as openly as we do here.
Opposition and support for the bill was all over the place.
To suggest, as Jill Stein does, that this is a “betrayal of working America” says less about the kind of president she would make than about the kind of politician she is…WHICH IS THE SAME KIND OF POLITICIAN THEY ALL ARE.
They will say whatever they have to say in order to appeal to their base…and the base of the Green Party is no less out of touch with reality than is the base of the Republican Party or the Democratic Party.
The fact that Jill Stein portrayed this move by Obama the way she did says volumes about her—she is a typical American politician who more than likely would be as easily corrupted by power should she get it…and is more interested in saying things that will appeal to her base than she is in telling the truth.
I will take Obama’s pragmatism over her lack of it every time…and, frankly, I will take Obama’s mendacity over hers every time also. And without a doubt I trust the judgment of Obama’s supporters more than her supporters.
But I appreciate the fact that we live in a free country and are all allowed to express our feelings on things as openly as we do here.
Time to get real people.
Remember fRANK knows all and understands all; far more than we little people.
For the past, fRANK is older than sh*t and speaks the language, too.
For the present, fRANK has never been wrong in his life.
For the future, fRANK iS Nostradumbas*.
-R-
Remember fRANK knows all and understands all; far more than we little people.
For the past, fRANK is older than sh*t and speaks the language, too.
For the present, fRANK has never been wrong in his life.
For the future, fRANK iS Nostradumbas*.
-R-
There is a rather observant saying that what you get in life is not what you want but what you settle for. Mr. Apisa quite evidently settles for whatever crap is shoved at him.
Libby if you keep plugging Jill Stein and Frank keeps seconding that endorsement in his usual manner I just might have to take a closer look at her soon.
Thanks, we need an alternative to the two most corrupt parties.
Thanks, we need an alternative to the two most corrupt parties.
Obama has evidently convinced quite a lot of ludicrously gullible people he is their desperate champion losing battle after battle to the voraciously greedy corporate masters but the obvious truth is that Obama is hand in glove encouraging the disintegration of whatever common good there is left in the country. He is the enemy decked out as the Samaritan saint and is far fouler than the obvious boobies screaming idiotic nonsense in the Republican chicken yard. See http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/03/16/despair-you-can-believe-in/ for details on how he is implementing the destruction of the country.
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