Jim Lehrer approves of the War in Libya apparently. I no longer approve of Jim Lehrer. He is one of the many co-producers of “Libya’s kinda Truman Show” a movie within the ever flashing movie of "America’s Willing Suspension of Disbelief." Obama, of course, sits in the director’s chair (or corporate puppet’s chair ... what have you).
I’m thinking maybe US corporate media is not the appropriate place to get reality-based info about the true nature of The Libyan War.
After 5 months of “humanitarian intervention,” of what James Cogandescribes as “raining death and destruction on the people of Libya,” and doing their damndest to assassinate Gaddafi, France, UK and the US were getting a tad embarrassed. I mean, after all. They have the most savage weaponry of all time at their disposal. Countless lives of soldiers at their disposal. Stenographic media at their disposal. What is the holdup with that rag tag group of rebel puppets of theirs? (Corporate Media Message to US Citizenry: Please don’t look at the three massively armed amoral and opportunistic imperialist countries behind the curtain!) This is (right Mr. Lehrer?) really the will of the Libyan people to achieve democracy and quality of life, not about regime change or control of oil or money by mega corporations and banks from the US, France and UK!!!!
James Cogan:
The war has never been about protecting civilians. From the time the United Nations legitimised the war with Resolution 1973, the US, Britain and France, operating under the umbrella of the NATO alliance, made no secret that their real agenda is regime-change.
Sheer criminality has characterised the efforts of the major powers to achieve this end. Gaddafi has been the target of numerous assassination attempts, one of which murdered his son and three of his grandchildren. Hundreds, if not thousands, of Libyan soldiers have been slaughtered by air attacks aimed at decimating Gaddafi’s army. Hundreds of millions of dollars have been supplied, and special forces, mercenaries and intelligence operatives from NATO countries flown in, to assist the "rebels" in assembling military units. France has illegally air-dropped weapons to tribal groups in the west of the country.?
According to the Libyan government, the bombing of essential infrastructure in Tripoli and other areas held by pro-Gaddafi forces has killed at least 1,108 civilians and wounded over 4,500. Evidence is mounting that NATO has stepped-up deliberate attacks on civilian targets in order to terrorise the population into turning against the regime. This week, a flu inoculation clinic and a food storage depot were bombed in the town of Zlitan to the east of Tripoli. Journalists from CNN were shown the ruins of a mosque and a school. A local official told CNN: "It [NATO] is waging wide-scale war on the people. They are destroying everything."
The criminal war on Libya has now entered a sordid stage. An end is being sought to a five-month operation that has become a debacle and embarrassment for the US and its allies. This month, the major powers have all recognised the TNC as Libya’s "legitimate government," enabling them to essentially steal an estimated $130 billion in Libyan assets held in Western banks and financial institutions. The intent is clear. To get back the wealth, the Libyan elite around Gaddafi will have to enter into negotiations with the TNC and form a government on the terms dictated by the US, Britain and France. Whatever combination of elements from Gaddafi’s regime and the TNC eventuates, it will have nothing to do with democracy.
All before our apparently lying eyes as CNN and PBS and corporate media everywhere spins the applied US jingoistic propaganda!!!
Isn’t that special?
Pepe Escobarcalls Libya Iraq 2. But who remembers Iraq 1 (really a two-parter)? That was a mere few seconds ago. This time, most Americans have simply lost interest. I mean, come on! We are suffering war news fatigue. STOP THE MADNESS. Well, at least stop talking about the madness. Just do it, whatever, and be done with it. PULLLLEEEEEZE. Humanitarian imperialism? Well, that sounds pretty friendly, right? You guys go for it. Do anything to those foreign bastards, you Barack or Congress or whomever. We don’t give a serious crap. NATO? That is a bunch of countries fighting for good stuff always, right? The UN endorsed the “kinetic military action” a/k/a R2P Humanitarian Intervention, after all.
Escobar:
"Siren" [latest NATO operation] featured a colorful casting of "NATO rebels", Islamist fanatics, gullible embedded journalists, TV-friendly mobs, and Cyrenaica youth manipulated by opportunist Gaddafi regime defectors eyeing fat checks by oil giants Total and BP.
So Escobar explains how NATO Apache gunships and jets decided to bomb the shit out of everyone and everything they could! On last Sunday alone there were possibly 1300 civilian deaths in Tripoli with 5,000 wounded. The Libyan Ministry of Health reported hospitals were overflowing.
Relentless NATO Bombing = R2P?????? That's also known as "The Responsibility to Protect." HAH!!!! "We had to bomb the shit out of the population in order to save them." Has a familiar ring to it. Hmmmmm. That echoes from REALLY ancient American history. Yawn.
Escobar:
NATO preceded "Siren" with massive bombing of Zawiya - the key oil-refining city 50 kilometers west of Tripoli. That cut off Tripoli's fuel supply lines.
According to NATO itself, at least half of Libya's armed forces were "degraded" - Pentagon/NATO speak for killed or seriously wounded. That means tens of thousands of dead people. That also explains the mysterious disappearance of the 65,000 soldiers in charge of defending Tripoli. And it largely explains why the Gaddafi regime, in power for 42 years, then crumbled in roughly 24 hours.
42 years of a regime? Hey, the clock is ticking. The New World Order as well as Election 2012 waits for no one, folks!
NATO's Siren call - after 20,000 sorties, and more than 7,500 strikes against ground targets - was only made possible by a crucial decision by the Barack Obama administration in early July, enabling, as reported by The Washington Post, "the sharing of more sensitive materials with NATO, including imagery and signals intercepts that could be provided to British and French special operations troops on the ground in addition to pilots in the air".
So, the Pentagon unleashed its full out power of satellites and drones!!!! This allowed NATO to finally exit from what Escobar calls “Operation Quagmire”. (What ... they held back from nuking them? Oh yeah. Needed those refineries, didn’t they?)
OBAMA REGIME SCORES AGAIN!!!! YAY!!!! 2012!!!!! IN YOUR FACE YOU ANTI-WAR RETARDS!!!!
According to Escobar:
Ethnic and tribal trouble is bound to explode. Many of the Berbers from the Western mountains, who entered Tripoli from the south this past weekend, are hardcore Salafis. Same with the Muslim Brotherhood/Salafi nebula from Cyrenaica, which has been instructed by US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) boots on the ground. As much as these fundamentalists "used" the Europeans and the Americans to get close to power, they may become a nasty guerrilla force if they are marginalized by the new NATO masters.
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A large Benghazi-based "revolution" sold to the West as a popular movement was always a myth. Only two months ago the armed "revolutionaries" barely numbered 1,000. NATO's solution was to build a mercenary army - including all sorts of unsavory types, from former Colombian death squad members to recruiters from Qatar and the United Arab Emirates (UAE), who pinched scores of unemployed Tunisians and tribals disgruntled with Tripoli. All these on top of the CIA mercenary squad - Salafis in Benghazi and Derna - and the House of Saud squad - the Muslim Brotherhood gang.
It's hard not to be reminded of the UCK drug gang in Kosovo - the war NATO "won" in the Balkans. Or of the Pakistanis and Saudis, with US backing, arming the "freedom fighters" of Afghanistan in the 1980s.
[I know, I know ... enough with that history repeating itself crap! Sorry!]
Then there's the dodgy, Benghazi-based, Transitional National Council (TNC)'s cast of characters.
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The new Iraq?
Yet to believe that NATO would win the war and let the "rebels" control power is a joke. Reuters has already reported that a "bridging force" of around 1,000 soldiers from Qatar, the Emirates and Jordan will arrive in Tripoli to act as police. And the Pentagon is already spinning that the US military will be on the ground to "help to secure the weapons". A nice touch that already implies who's going to be really in charge; the "humanitarian" neo-colonialists plus their Arab minions.
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So the big winners in the end are London, Washington, the House of Saud and the Qataris (they sent jets and "advisers", they are already handling the oil sales). With a special mention for the compound Pentagon/NATO - considering that Africom will finally set up its first African base in the Mediterranean, and NATO is one step closer to declaring the Mediterranean "a NATO lake".
[Just wait until BP does its magic to NATO Lake!]
[Africom ... duh?]
Islamism? Tribalism? These may be Libya's lesser ills compared to a new fantasyland open to neo-liberalism. There are few doubts the new Western masters won't try to revive a friendlier version of Iraq's nefarious, rapacious Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA), turning Libya into a hardcore neo-liberal dream of 100% ownership of Libyan assets, total repatriation of profits, Western corporations with the same legal standing of local firms, foreign banks buying local banks and very low income and corporate taxes.
Meanwhile, the deep fracture between the center (Tripoli) and the periphery for the control of energy resources will fester. BP, Total, Exxon, all Western oil giants will be gratefully rewarded by the transitional council - to the detriment of Chinese, Russian and Indian companies. NATO troops on the ground will certainly help to keep the council on message.
Oil executives estimate it will take at least a year to get oil production back to pre-civil war levels of 1.6 million barrels per day, but say annual earnings from oil could reap Tripoli's new rulers some US$50 billion annually. Most estimates place oil reserves at 46.4 billion barrels, 3% of the world's reserves and worth some $3.9 trillion at today's oil price. Known gas reserves stand at some 5 trillion cubic feet.
Thus in the end R2P wins. Humanitarian imperialism wins. The Arab monarchies win. NATO as global Robocop wins. The Pentagon wins. But even that is not enough for the usual imperial suspects - already calling for the deployment of a "stabilization force". And all this while lost-the-plot progressives in assorted latitudes continue to hail the Holy Alliance of Western neocolonialism, ultra-reactionary Arab monarchies and hardcore Salafis.
You hearing any of this, all you “lost the plot” (once again) progressives? Jim Carrey managed to escape. Can you?
I also can't get that old Joni Mitchell favorite, "Big Yellow Taxi" out of my head. You know the one. "They droned paradise and put up a parking lot!" Uhhh ... well, something like that.
[cross-posted at correntewire and sacramento for democracy]
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Professor Loo's newest book, concentrates on corporatization.
Your comments concerning oil, only buttress the points in his book.
My hopes is that his book will be widely adapted by institutions of higher learning across the country.
-R-
Your comments concerning oil, only buttress the points in his book.
My hopes is that his book will be widely adapted by institutions of higher learning across the country.
-R-
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We now return you to our regular programming,
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Libby, I understand your anger and frustration with the brutality of humanity…and of the motivations (or supposed motivations) of people and entities now in existance.
But we are truly just recently down out of the trees. We are a primative species—doing the best we can with the cards we’ve been dealt! (!!!)
We have undergone a massive technological evolution—but it is obvious we have not made a commensurate psychological evolution. In effect, we have evolved technologically to the point where we can destroy ourselves and our planet—and have not evolved psychologically to the point where we definitely will not do so.
We’ve got to live with that—deal with it as best we can.
It may well be that “destroying ourselves and our planet” is in the cards. Perhaps EVERY evolving entity throughout the universe comes to this point—and EVERY (or maybe, most) DO EXACTLY THAT! We humans certainly seem intent on doing it.
As respectfully as possible, Libby, I suggest that demanding that our leaders be more temperate…more disposed to bargain and reason together…more in control of anger and frustration is really not the way to go.
We should concentrate, each of us, on being more temperate ourselves…on being more disposed to bargain and reason together; more in control of our anger and frustration.
Libby, we get our leaders from among ourselves. The only way to end up with leaders who have those qualities is if we first learn them. If WE do not learn these qualities—there is no possible way our leaders will have them.
Am I talking nonsense here, Libby? Or does this make sense to you?
But we are truly just recently down out of the trees. We are a primative species—doing the best we can with the cards we’ve been dealt! (!!!)
We have undergone a massive technological evolution—but it is obvious we have not made a commensurate psychological evolution. In effect, we have evolved technologically to the point where we can destroy ourselves and our planet—and have not evolved psychologically to the point where we definitely will not do so.
We’ve got to live with that—deal with it as best we can.
It may well be that “destroying ourselves and our planet” is in the cards. Perhaps EVERY evolving entity throughout the universe comes to this point—and EVERY (or maybe, most) DO EXACTLY THAT! We humans certainly seem intent on doing it.
As respectfully as possible, Libby, I suggest that demanding that our leaders be more temperate…more disposed to bargain and reason together…more in control of anger and frustration is really not the way to go.
We should concentrate, each of us, on being more temperate ourselves…on being more disposed to bargain and reason together; more in control of our anger and frustration.
Libby, we get our leaders from among ourselves. The only way to end up with leaders who have those qualities is if we first learn them. If WE do not learn these qualities—there is no possible way our leaders will have them.
Am I talking nonsense here, Libby? Or does this make sense to you?
Mark, I look forward to Prof. Loo's book. Corporatization is at the ... I would call it heart but that is the wrong word ... center of massive evil, ever escalating. Thanks.
Sky, yeah, that is how it feels. Stay tuned for an update on the insanity. Different day, different war, SAME insanity. Same massive betrayal. Same numbed out audience.
Frank, so exercising my free and obviously motivated by the savagery you admit exists all around speech makes you want to stifle me and my outrage because ...? "Such is life?????" OR that I am calling out not only the Obamas and other cowards and/or evildoers or a combination thereof but as well I am more than implying that all of us as citizens belong somewhere on that continuum of cowards and evildoers for allowing our country to take our money (now, apparently ALL our money), our soldier children and perpetrate savagery for the profiteering of a criminal elite class?
I can't believe you are saying this to me:
"As respectfully as possible, Libby, I suggest that demanding that our leaders be more temperate…more disposed to bargain and reason together…more in control of anger and frustration is really not the way to go."
"We should concentrate, each of us, on being more temperate ourselves…on being more disposed to bargain and reason together; more in control of our anger and frustration."
Brutal and insanely inhumane behavior deserves outrage. Lemming-like passivity to brutal and insanely inhumane behavior also deserves outrage. I am sorry it emotionally inconveniences you that I feel these things, probably inconveniences you more of the latter reason for my anger and frustration than the former, though you focus on the former.
I am frustrated with my own passivity for so very long, too. My conscience compels me to speak out. My heart compels me to speak out with the intensity I do.
The USS Titanic is going down and taking as much of humanity and the environment with it as possible. You are asking me to have a cool one in a deck chair and STFU?
Sky, yeah, that is how it feels. Stay tuned for an update on the insanity. Different day, different war, SAME insanity. Same massive betrayal. Same numbed out audience.
Frank, so exercising my free and obviously motivated by the savagery you admit exists all around speech makes you want to stifle me and my outrage because ...? "Such is life?????" OR that I am calling out not only the Obamas and other cowards and/or evildoers or a combination thereof but as well I am more than implying that all of us as citizens belong somewhere on that continuum of cowards and evildoers for allowing our country to take our money (now, apparently ALL our money), our soldier children and perpetrate savagery for the profiteering of a criminal elite class?
I can't believe you are saying this to me:
"As respectfully as possible, Libby, I suggest that demanding that our leaders be more temperate…more disposed to bargain and reason together…more in control of anger and frustration is really not the way to go."
"We should concentrate, each of us, on being more temperate ourselves…on being more disposed to bargain and reason together; more in control of our anger and frustration."
Brutal and insanely inhumane behavior deserves outrage. Lemming-like passivity to brutal and insanely inhumane behavior also deserves outrage. I am sorry it emotionally inconveniences you that I feel these things, probably inconveniences you more of the latter reason for my anger and frustration than the former, though you focus on the former.
I am frustrated with my own passivity for so very long, too. My conscience compels me to speak out. My heart compels me to speak out with the intensity I do.
The USS Titanic is going down and taking as much of humanity and the environment with it as possible. You are asking me to have a cool one in a deck chair and STFU?
I'm not thrilled with either the way the US is handling this or with Qaddafi. I think they should have a democracy but the USA doesn't have a good track record of doing that; instead they bomb people then take over for the benefit of the corporations and enable them to attempt to manipulate the public in a new country.
this is why I think we should have a truth commission of some sort after it is properly considered and it should be combined with election reform although not necessarily in that order. Past truth commissions have enabled the thieves to lock in their loot without paying the population back for corrupt activity; a future one should anticipate this and possibly review past ones and allow for compensation from the corporations that have been steeling from everyone.
At least they didn't rush to kill the sons of Qaddafi that they did catch assuming they did get one or two; unlike the USA that rushed to kill Saddam Husein's sons and executed Saddam before they could talk, possibly disclosing the wrong doing that they participated in previously when they were still allies of the US government.
this is why I think we should have a truth commission of some sort after it is properly considered and it should be combined with election reform although not necessarily in that order. Past truth commissions have enabled the thieves to lock in their loot without paying the population back for corrupt activity; a future one should anticipate this and possibly review past ones and allow for compensation from the corporations that have been steeling from everyone.
At least they didn't rush to kill the sons of Qaddafi that they did catch assuming they did get one or two; unlike the USA that rushed to kill Saddam Husein's sons and executed Saddam before they could talk, possibly disclosing the wrong doing that they participated in previously when they were still allies of the US government.
I’m not asking you or anyone else to shut the fuck up, Libby…and I think you know that.
I am asking you to be more temperate and moderate in your criticism and remarks.
Your criticism, Libby, reduces to: The leaders of the world are not civilized enough…not temperate enough…not moderate enough; the are uncivilized and cause people under their leadership to fight, maim, and kill people living under other uncivilized leaders.
And I am suggesting that all those “leaders” are uncivilized, intemperate, and immoderate because that seems to be the norm for humanity these days. We get our leaders from US…WE are the leaders and the people being lead.
I suggest you will get further along toward your goal of a more humane society…a more understanding, less confrontational society, a less hating, spiteful, angry society…(a goal I share wholeheartedly and enthusiastically)…
…if you would exhibit less of those negative qualities in your posts.
You truly seem to be a decent person. Some of the remarks you have directed toward me in posts have brought a smile to my face and have made my day…because I see a fellow human being extending the hand of friendship to someone who, frankly, aggravates her. (Moi! And I do not do it purposely.)
I think of you as a fellow human being who wants America to be a better place in which to live…and who wants planet Earth to be a better place on which to live.
I just disagree with the tone of your posts…and I offered that disagreement in this thread as respectful as possible.
If you read my previous post again, you will see that is what I am doing. (If you do it without all the anger you bring to each encounter, that is!)
I am asking you to be more temperate and moderate in your criticism and remarks.
Your criticism, Libby, reduces to: The leaders of the world are not civilized enough…not temperate enough…not moderate enough; the are uncivilized and cause people under their leadership to fight, maim, and kill people living under other uncivilized leaders.
And I am suggesting that all those “leaders” are uncivilized, intemperate, and immoderate because that seems to be the norm for humanity these days. We get our leaders from US…WE are the leaders and the people being lead.
I suggest you will get further along toward your goal of a more humane society…a more understanding, less confrontational society, a less hating, spiteful, angry society…(a goal I share wholeheartedly and enthusiastically)…
…if you would exhibit less of those negative qualities in your posts.
You truly seem to be a decent person. Some of the remarks you have directed toward me in posts have brought a smile to my face and have made my day…because I see a fellow human being extending the hand of friendship to someone who, frankly, aggravates her. (Moi! And I do not do it purposely.)
I think of you as a fellow human being who wants America to be a better place in which to live…and who wants planet Earth to be a better place on which to live.
I just disagree with the tone of your posts…and I offered that disagreement in this thread as respectful as possible.
If you read my previous post again, you will see that is what I am doing. (If you do it without all the anger you bring to each encounter, that is!)
Thanks, Zachd.
Do we even know the real deal about Gaddafi? How within this country do we get reality-based information and not convenient propagandized disinformation or black outs on reality.
They didn't at least kill the sons? They lied even that they had captured at least one of the sons for pr purposes as I heard it outside the US media.
Killing Gaddafi? Well, maybe they won't do it, but let others do it for them by proxy. And I still wonder if they really had to kill the toddler grandchild (I know at least one was a toddler, not sure of the ages of the others). Just collateral damage I suppose. They deserved to die prematurely because they were related to Gaddafi and a bullying imperialist power wanted the resources and money of his country? So anything goes. Ends justifies the means, and what the hey, America is NEVER wrong.
"Gaddafi has been the target of numerous assassination attempts, one of which murdered his son and three of his grandchildren."
Truth commission? I can just imagine who Obama would appoint to it. Masters of mendacity all!
Do we even know the real deal about Gaddafi? How within this country do we get reality-based information and not convenient propagandized disinformation or black outs on reality.
They didn't at least kill the sons? They lied even that they had captured at least one of the sons for pr purposes as I heard it outside the US media.
Killing Gaddafi? Well, maybe they won't do it, but let others do it for them by proxy. And I still wonder if they really had to kill the toddler grandchild (I know at least one was a toddler, not sure of the ages of the others). Just collateral damage I suppose. They deserved to die prematurely because they were related to Gaddafi and a bullying imperialist power wanted the resources and money of his country? So anything goes. Ends justifies the means, and what the hey, America is NEVER wrong.
"Gaddafi has been the target of numerous assassination attempts, one of which murdered his son and three of his grandchildren."
Truth commission? I can just imagine who Obama would appoint to it. Masters of mendacity all!
Frank, maybe being a pain in the proverbial and status quo ass is a calling for me right now. Catharsis for so many years of STFU in my past. I thank you for engaging with me with your warmth and interest and supposed good intentions. I even pissed off that Kerry guy who took a swipe at New Yorkers it seemed like, just cause I was being "inconvenient". He's really pitting Kentuckians against New Yorkers because I implied a political thumb on the salon.com scales? Kind of a distraction but slick. If you are the editor-in-chief you should be able to take it a little better than sniping and sticking your head in the sand or whereever he went off to stick it without answering the question, annoying as it was. I guess he too is from the Frank Apisa school of civility and deck chair on the the Titanic congeniality. best, libby
My point wasn't that the commission should be controlled by Obama; it should be controlled at the grass roots level by a public that is as educated about it as possible and the facts should be checked before it should be accepted. I went into more detail in a past blog listed in the links section of my blog if you're interested and intend to follow up with additional details as time goes on.
The point was to have democratic reform controlled by the public not another commission controlled by the corrupt people that got us into this in the first place.
The point was to have democratic reform controlled by the public not another commission controlled by the corrupt people that got us into this in the first place.
zachd, thank you. I let my cynicism take off which wronged your real message. I apologize. I should have known that having read your stuff. After the Obama regime did not let in one of the Medicare for all people in the discussion, like especially the pnhp (well, maybe for one photo op one day--one more Lucy and the football moment) I see the awesome marginalization of real experts and people of conscience.
note to frank: I am thinking that that kerry guy probably wasn't even addressing me with his "cranky" message, he used no names. I just assumed he would answer my question but it probably was too emotionally inconvenient and annoying to address AT ALL.
note to frank: I am thinking that that kerry guy probably wasn't even addressing me with his "cranky" message, he used no names. I just assumed he would answer my question but it probably was too emotionally inconvenient and annoying to address AT ALL.
I'm thinking the 2008 election was a lot like the Truman Show, too. Wasn't there that uneasiness in your stomach? That this is going way too smoothly and quickly especially at the end and the media was so on the bandwagon with the citizenry, us common folk. Aheemmmmmm. And Obama was just playing his MLK-ness to the hilt. And there was Lady Oprah ushering us lemmings to our pens. Sure enuf!!!! All a temporary movie set to get on with the real corporate-profiteering citizen-raping imperialist new world order regime. Duped, like Jim Carrey. Sigh. As I said. Like the Truman Show movie, but with more blood and more sordid!
i suggest lady obama and lady oprah go to libya
and start a girl's school.
the girls will be televised 'truman' style.
how they come to see democracy as the best and only way.
then they will be allowed to mature, and some of them go to
medical school,others to law school in the uSA.
they may or may not want children once they have democracy.
still, it is their right.
also, send em back to libya after 1,2,3, 10, etc years. give em a choice.
where to live.
this is the only sane way to defuse the crisis. enlightened
despotic corporatism feminist secular humanist
puffery.
all i know is what wolf blitzer tells me. he shrieks alot lately.
that anderson cooper i like too. he went to libya and
interviewed q(k)addaffi, if i recal. or was that iraq?
the interview...the shah...of iraq....
or...
when..
wha?
lost my focus.
and start a girl's school.
the girls will be televised 'truman' style.
how they come to see democracy as the best and only way.
then they will be allowed to mature, and some of them go to
medical school,others to law school in the uSA.
they may or may not want children once they have democracy.
still, it is their right.
also, send em back to libya after 1,2,3, 10, etc years. give em a choice.
where to live.
this is the only sane way to defuse the crisis. enlightened
despotic corporatism feminist secular humanist
puffery.
all i know is what wolf blitzer tells me. he shrieks alot lately.
that anderson cooper i like too. he went to libya and
interviewed q(k)addaffi, if i recal. or was that iraq?
the interview...the shah...of iraq....
or...
when..
wha?
lost my focus.
james, you are very witty! (or are you putting me down and I am not getting it? :) sigh). so glad you commented, either way.
How long did it take you to come up with this? Awesome.
"enlightened despotic corporatism feminist secular humanist
puffery."
ever see that Brit documentary 7-up I think it might be called, where every 7 years Britain did a documentary of same bunch of original school kids and what was happening to them as they went through life? They stuck with it through the decades though I think some of the "victims" bowed out at times. it was playing at times in some of the NYC theaters. sounds like your Libyan girls idea.
Are you saying if you can't lick media corporatism, maybe drive into the skid and get enmeshed with it to really grasp at reality and GLOBAL COMMUNITY? :) I honestly think high-powered women need to start advocating for world peace and helping women and children. Stopping the insanity. Sometimes women try so hard to be as masculine and power-generating as men. They need to back up from that and ask men to work on cooperation and partnership! The mover and shaker masters of the universe men I'm talking about.
You know everyone wanted to bomb Iran and then when those Iranian kids were so intrepid US citizens felt admiration for Iranians and saw the different groups and the leadership and people were different and for a few seconds at least US citizens felt a protectiveness about Iran though still hated its leadership but saw that the leaders do not the citizens make. We are all victims of our leaders' decision-making. Often hostages to it. And then when the bombing starts it is about conflict about leaders and also about profiteering and people die or have their lives permanently altered.
Again, thanks for commenting, james. Appreciate that flake-out jab there at the end, too. libby
How long did it take you to come up with this? Awesome.
"enlightened despotic corporatism feminist secular humanist
puffery."
ever see that Brit documentary 7-up I think it might be called, where every 7 years Britain did a documentary of same bunch of original school kids and what was happening to them as they went through life? They stuck with it through the decades though I think some of the "victims" bowed out at times. it was playing at times in some of the NYC theaters. sounds like your Libyan girls idea.
Are you saying if you can't lick media corporatism, maybe drive into the skid and get enmeshed with it to really grasp at reality and GLOBAL COMMUNITY? :) I honestly think high-powered women need to start advocating for world peace and helping women and children. Stopping the insanity. Sometimes women try so hard to be as masculine and power-generating as men. They need to back up from that and ask men to work on cooperation and partnership! The mover and shaker masters of the universe men I'm talking about.
You know everyone wanted to bomb Iran and then when those Iranian kids were so intrepid US citizens felt admiration for Iranians and saw the different groups and the leadership and people were different and for a few seconds at least US citizens felt a protectiveness about Iran though still hated its leadership but saw that the leaders do not the citizens make. We are all victims of our leaders' decision-making. Often hostages to it. And then when the bombing starts it is about conflict about leaders and also about profiteering and people die or have their lives permanently altered.
Again, thanks for commenting, james. Appreciate that flake-out jab there at the end, too. libby
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