It may seem insensitive to blog about the evil savagery of war (called out profoundly in a recent article by Pepe Escobar) on Easter weekend, when millions of Christians are celebrating the death and resurrection of the extraordinary unconditionally open-hearted historical figure of Jesus Christ. However, to me it seems particularly appropriate considering most American citizens' (reflecting their amoral leadership’s) capacity to talk the talk of religious sentimentality and their incapacity to walk the spiritual walk role modeled by Jesus.
Commitment to promoting universal love, cooperation and partnership? Little evidence of such commitment in the United States.
Scott Peck in his book People of the Lie writes about sociopathy as well as the battle between good and evil. At one point he implores his readers to keep “a gentle place of shelter for Jesus in their hearts.”
Clearly Jesus has been massively forsaken by Americans.
“Whatever you do to the least among us, you do unto me.”
Certainly not words Americans heed. No gentle place for Jesus in the hearts of darkness of most Americans, whether leaders or plain old average citizens, when it comes to the welfare of foreign fellow humans.
What follows is a collection of some of Pepe Escobar’s penetrating passages on U.S. war porn:
War porn is a lethal, group subculture - complete with targeted assassinations, revenge killings, desecration of bodies, harvesting of trophies (severed fingers or ears), burning of Korans and pissing on dead bodies. It's essentially a collective sport.
US "kill teams" have deliberately executed random, innocent Afghan civilians, mostly teenagers, for sport, planted weapons on their bodies, and then posed with their corpses as trophies. Not by accident they had been operating out of a base in the same area of the Kandahar massacre.
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... The Obama surge in Afghanistan - based on COIN - was a total failure. What replaced it was hardcore, covert, dark war, led by "kill teams" of Special Forces. That implies an inflation of air strikes and night raids. No to mention drone strikes, both in Afghanistan and in Pakistan's tribal areas, whose favorite targets seem to be Pashtun wedding parties.
Incidentally, the CIA claims that since May 2010, ultra-smart drones have killed more than 600 "carefully selected" human targets - and, miraculously, not a single civilian.
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Iraq may indeed be seen as the Star Wars of war porn - an apotheosis of sequels. Take the (second) Fallujah offensive in late 2004. ...
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Fallujah was reduced to rubble, at least 200,000 residents became refugees, and thousands of civilians were killed, in order to "save it" (echoes of Vietnam). No one in Western corporate media had the guts to say that in fact Fallujah was the American Halabja.
Fifteen years before Fallujah, in Halabja, Washington was a very enthusiastic supplier of chemical weapons to Saddam, who used them to gas thousands of Kurds. The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) at the time said it was not Saddam; it was Khomeinist Iran. Yet Saddam did it, and did it deliberately, just like the US in Fallujah.
Fallujah doctors identified swollen and yellowish corpses without any injuries, as well as "melted bodies" - victims of napalm, the cocktail of polystyrene and jet fuel. Residents who managed to escape told of bombing by "poisonous gases" and "weird bombs that smoke like a mushroom cloud ... and then small pieces fall from the air with long tails of smoke behind them. The pieces of these strange bombs explode into large fires that burn the skin even when you throw water over them."
That's exactly what happens to people bombed with napalm or white phosphorus. The United Nations banned the bombing of civilians with napalm in 1980. The US is the only country in the world still using napalm.
Fallujah also provided a mini-snuff movie hit; the summary execution of a wounded, defenseless Iraqi man inside a mosque by a US Marine. The execution, caught on tape, and watched by millions on YouTube, graphically spelled out the "special" rules of engagement. US Marine commanders at the time were telling their soldiers to "shoot everything that moves and everything that doesn't move"; to fire "two bullets in every body"; in case of seeing any military-aged men in the streets of Fallujah, to "drop 'em"; and to spray every home with machine-gun and tank fire before entering them.
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Meanwhile, in the US, most of the population was already immune to war porn. When the Abu Ghraib scandal broke out in the spring of 2004, I was driving through Texas, exploring Bushland. Virtually everybody I spoke to either attributed the humiliation of Iraqi prisoners to "a few bad apples", or defended it on patriotic grounds ("we must teach a lesson to "terrorists").
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In thesis, there is an approved mechanism in the 21st century to defend civilians from war porn. It's the R2P - "responsibility to protect" doctrine. ...
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Now fast-forward to the end of 2008, early 2009, when Israel - using American fighter jets to raise hell - unleashed a large-scale attack on the civilian population of the Gaza strip.
Look at the official US reaction; "Israel has obviously decided to protect herself and her people," said then-president Bush. The US Congress voted by a staggering 390-to-5 to recognize "Israel's right to defend itself against attacks from Gaza". The incoming Barack Obama administration was thunderously silent. Only future Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said, "We support Israel's right to self-defense."
At least 1,300 civilians - including scores of women and children - were killed by state terror in Gaza. Nobody invoked R2P. Nobody pointed to Israel's graphic failure in its "responsibility to protect" Palestinians. Nobody called for a "humanitarian intervention" targeting Israel.
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And the beauty of R2P was that it could be turned upside down anytime. Bush pleaded for the "liberation" of suffering Afghans - and especially burqa-clad Afghan women - from the "evil" Taliban, in fact configuring Afghanistan as a humanitarian intervention.
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The most recent installment in serial episodes of war porn is the Kandahar massacre, when, according to the official Pentagon version (or cover up) an American army sergeant, a sniper and Iraqi war veteran - a highly trained assassin - shot 17 Afghan civilians, including nine women and four children, in two villages two miles apart, and burned some of their bodies.
Like with Abu Ghraib, there was the usual torrent of denials from the Pentagon - as in "this is not us" or "we don't do things these way"; not to mention a tsunami of stories in US corporate media humanizing the hero-turned-mass killer, as in "he's such a good guy, a family man". In contrast, not a single word about The Other - the Afghan victims. They are faceless; and nobody knows their names.
A - serious - Afghan enquiry established that some 20 soldiers may have been part of the massacre - as in My Lai in Vietnam; and that included the rape of two of the women. It does make sense.
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... anyone in an area under a drone watch using a cell phone was branded as a "terrorist", or at least "terrorist sympathizer". And then the focus of the night raids in Afghanistan shifted from "high value targets" - high-level and mid-level al-Qaeda and Taliban - to anyone who was branded as helping the Taliban.
In May 2009, before McChrystal arrived, US Special Forces were carrying 20 raids a month. By November, they were 90 a month. By the spring of 2010, they were 250 a month. When McChrystal was fired - because of a story in Rolling Stone (he was competing with Lady Gaga for the cover; Lady Gaga won) - and Obama replaced him with Petraeus in the summer of 2010, there were 600 a month. By April 2011, they were more than 1,000 a month.
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Libya was a major war porn atrocity exhibition - complete with a nifty Roman touch of the defeated "barbarian" chief sodomized in the streets and then executed, straight on YouTube.
This, by the way, is exactly what Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, in a lightning visit to Tripoli, had announced less than 48 hours before the fact. Gaddafi should be "captured or killed". When she watched it in the screen of her BlackBerry she could only react with the semantic earthquake "Wow!"
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Only the hopelessly naïve may have swallowed the propaganda of NATO's "humanitarian" 40,000-plus bombing which devastated Libya's infrastructure back to the Stone Age as a Shock and Awe in slow motion. This never had anything to do with R2P.
This was R2P as safe sex - and the "international community" was the condom. The "international community", as everyone knows, is composed of Washington, a few washed-up NATO members, and the democratic Persian Gulf powerhouses of Qatar and the United Arab Emirates (UAE), plus the House of Saud in the shade. The EU, which up to extra time was caressing the helm of Gaddafi's gowns, took no time to fall over themselves in editorials about the 42-year reign of a "buffoon".
As for the concept of international law, it was left lying in a drain as filthy as the one Gaddafi was holed up in. Saddam at least got a fake trial in a kangaroo court before meeting the executioner (he ended up on YouTube as well). Osama bin Laden was simply snuffed out, assassination-style, after a territorial invasion of Pakistan (no YouTube - so many don't believe it). Gaddafi went one up, snuffed out with a mix of air war and assassination. They are The Three Graceful Scalps of War Porn.
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For example, the armed opposition, the so-called Free Syrian Army (a nasty cocktail of defectors, opportunists, jihadis and foreign mercenaries) brought Western journalists to Homs and then insisted to extract them, in extremely dangerous condition, and with people being killed, via Lebanon, rather than through the Red Crescent. They were nothing else than writing the script for a foreign-imposed "humanitarian corridor" to be opened to Homs. This was pure theater - or war porn packaged as a Hollywood drama.
The problem is Western public opinion is now hostage to this brand of information warfare. Forget about even the possibility of peaceful negotiations among adult parties. What's left is a binary good guys versus bad guys plot, where the Big Bad Guy must be destroyed at all costs (and on top of it his wife is a snob bitch who loves shopping!)
Only the terminally naïve may believe that jihadis - including Libya's NATO rebels - financed by the Gulf Counter-revolution Club, also know as Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) are a bunch of democratic reformists burning with good intentions. Even Human Rights Watch was finally forced to acknowledge that these armed "activists" were responsible for "kidnapping, detention, and torture", after receiving reports of "executions by armed opposition groups of security force members and civilians".
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2012 is the new 2002; Iran is the new Iraq; and whatever the highway, to evoke the neo-con motto, real men go to Tehran via Damascus, or real men go to Tehran non-stop.
Perhaps only underwater in the Arctic we would be able to escape the cacophonous cortege of American right-wingers - and their respective European poodles - salivating for blood and deploying the usual festival of fallacies like "Iran wants to wipe Israel off the map", "diplomacy has run its course", "the sanctions are too late", or "Iran is within a year, six months, a week, a day, or a minute of assembling a bomb". Of course these dogs of war would never bother to follow what the International Atomic Energy Agency is actually doing, not to mention the National Intelligence Estimates released by the 17 US intelligence agencies.
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Just like with Iraq in 2002, Iran is always dehumanized. The relentless, totally hysterical, fear-inducing "narrative" of "should we bomb now or should we bomb later" is always about oh so very smart bunker buster bombs and precision missiles that will accomplish an ultra clean large-scale devastation job without producing a single "collateral damage". Just like safe sex.
And even when the voice of the establishment itself - the New York Times - admits that neither US nor Israeli intelligence believe Iran has decided to build a bomb (a 5-year-old could reach the same conclusion), the hysteria remains inter-galactic.[cross-posted on correntewire and sacramento for democracy]
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rated for Pepi Escobar's remarks. The good news is that no one is going to bomb Iran -- at least for this year.
I'd have to say that this is really much, much MORE than "the evil savagery of war." This is the evil savagery of an entire social system. A system that has so deeply embedded the "me first, me first" mind-set in its citizens that the horror those citizens might, as human beings, normally feel is just not there. The basic attitude of people these days is, "So fuckin' what? Who gives a shit?"
Heck, this attitude is prevalent, even among the "progressive" population, with regard to those of their fellow citizens who have been displaced in their employment and unable to rent themselves out to a suitable master, if that has gone on for any extended period of time.
You may be sure that a population which can ignore their own fellow citizens desperation and lay the blame on those same people for their own unemployment, will have exactly zero empathy or sympathy for foreigners whom they perceive to "hate us because we are free."
I appreciate this information. I sympathize with your efforts to bring it to us. I applaud your courage in doing so. I will now go out for coffee and doughnuts, as I usually do first thing in the morning.
It is highly unlikely that I'll give this more than a short, passing thought for my entire day.
If this is my response - the response of a sympathizer - what will be the response of those, of both the "right" and the "left", who just don't give a damn?
"R"
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Heck, this attitude is prevalent, even among the "progressive" population, with regard to those of their fellow citizens who have been displaced in their employment and unable to rent themselves out to a suitable master, if that has gone on for any extended period of time.
You may be sure that a population which can ignore their own fellow citizens desperation and lay the blame on those same people for their own unemployment, will have exactly zero empathy or sympathy for foreigners whom they perceive to "hate us because we are free."
I appreciate this information. I sympathize with your efforts to bring it to us. I applaud your courage in doing so. I will now go out for coffee and doughnuts, as I usually do first thing in the morning.
It is highly unlikely that I'll give this more than a short, passing thought for my entire day.
If this is my response - the response of a sympathizer - what will be the response of those, of both the "right" and the "left", who just don't give a damn?
"R"
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I wouldn't assume no one is going to bomb Iran this year- our country has a trend towards starting wars around Christmas so that they can pull out the sympathy card for the "unfortunate troops who are being deployed at the holidays because this evil regime hates Christians so they escalated at this time of year to disrupt our celebration of the baby Jesus."
You have shown here that the plan is working. The lack of education is allowing the propaganda machine to be believed as truth and YouTube is showing the masses the evilness of the other and we are well on our way to the sub-Apocolyptic reality they've been playing in the cinema for decades. Those of us that know the difference can no longer have an impact because too many people just don't care but I will keep reading it if you will keep writing it.
You have shown here that the plan is working. The lack of education is allowing the propaganda machine to be believed as truth and YouTube is showing the masses the evilness of the other and we are well on our way to the sub-Apocolyptic reality they've been playing in the cinema for decades. Those of us that know the difference can no longer have an impact because too many people just don't care but I will keep reading it if you will keep writing it.
DAH...we, the U.S. are a waring nation. Like it or not (and I don't) it's the truth. We spend more than the rest of the world combined to 'make peace'!!! Happy Eostre!
The difference between Iraq and Afghanistan is night and day. The Arab Kingdoms of the Gulf and Iran are other worlds all together and you didn't even touch on Pakistan... We're stuck with cleaning up the mess left behind by the British Empire and sustaining a world economy completely dependent on oil.
After the East India Company lost Kabul and nearly 17,000 people January of 1842, the Brits learned their lesson and played a largely peripheral role in Afghan affairs for the next century. Between 1979 and 1988 the Soviets lost over 100,000 troops in Afghanistan and we all know what's happened since then.
With any luck we'll be out of there by 2014 and never make the mistake of committing military forces to that part of the world for any reason... Now if we could only quit our addiction to oil.
After the East India Company lost Kabul and nearly 17,000 people January of 1842, the Brits learned their lesson and played a largely peripheral role in Afghan affairs for the next century. Between 1979 and 1988 the Soviets lost over 100,000 troops in Afghanistan and we all know what's happened since then.
With any luck we'll be out of there by 2014 and never make the mistake of committing military forces to that part of the world for any reason... Now if we could only quit our addiction to oil.
sky, realistically and ironically said. thank you! Scott Peck also said that evil was laziness to the nth degree. 80 million people voted for Obama, most because of the belief he would end the wars. he has escalated war, along with his other crimes, but he is to be rewarded with a second term very likely, any way, because ... because ... because ... of some amoral inertia that carries us all along and gives psychopathic profit-making of corporations a free pass to do whatever it takes, insane murderousness and cruelty, to their nth degree. Christ's death was an atonement -- "at one"-ment ... and there is not much commitment to "at one"-ment among the American branch of the family of men and women, that is for d*mn sure. I think I can safely guess what Christ's take on "lesser evilism" would be. We live in Post-Morality America as David Brooks once said or an ethical freakshow of a universe as (pro-drone) Maddow once said. best, libby
phyllis, thank you for your savvy comments. I will keep writing until the powers that be pull the plug on internet access to the David vs. Goliath messengers of reality, mostly, but not entirely, outside America's bubble-world since inside it sociopathic corporations have played hardball and/or softball (sadly, softball seems to work too easily) threatening and/or seducing intelligent Americans with the potential for conscience to sell theirs out for entry into amoral cronyism and elitism and/or the shackles of spiritual, economic and military oppression. best, libby
tg within, thank you! the addiction to war has reached epic proportions. i am addressing that addiction by those inhuman Frankenstein monsters at the helms of various countries and the shadow Dr. Frankensteins behind the curtain "handling" them, but I am also addressing an entire nation of co-addicts, lost in what Zeese calls the FOG, "forces of greed", lost to "learned helplessness", "Stockholm Syndrome" or whatever horrifying apathy makes them and I mean me, too, since I pay taxes and ergo enable the military budget, to continue to ENABLE evil. Peck also says "evil" is "live" spelled backwards. MLK said the US was the greater purveyor of violence in the world, and the violence has escalated since he spoke that chilling truth. MLK also said, speaking of "at-one"-ment:
"All I'm saying is simply this, that all life is interrelated, that somehow we're caught in an inescapable network of mutuality tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly affects all indirectly. For some strange reason, I can never be what I ought to be until you are what you ought to be. You can never be what you ought to be until I am what I ought to be. This is the interrelated structure of reality."
Happy Easter back to you. best, libby
"All I'm saying is simply this, that all life is interrelated, that somehow we're caught in an inescapable network of mutuality tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly affects all indirectly. For some strange reason, I can never be what I ought to be until you are what you ought to be. You can never be what you ought to be until I am what I ought to be. This is the interrelated structure of reality."
Happy Easter back to you. best, libby
jmac, thanks for commenting!
we do not seem to be on the same channel with this. to me Afghanistan and Iraq ARE NOT night and day.
You are saying we are "stuck with" cleaning up ... CLEANING UP as a good thing for civilization (and some may be sincere with that within the lower levels of the ruling elite, but I challenge they are NOT the deciders), or CLEANING UP AS A CRIMINAL PROFITEERING THING? The latter is what is happening obscenely.
You are still speaking it seems to me more from the patriarchal power, control and competition mindset. I am talking about a humanist paradigm shift to partnership and cooperation mind AND heart-set. I am talking about "thou shalt not kill" as a code to operate a nation from. I am talking about diplomacy and cooperation. I am talking about THE ENDS DON'T JUSTIFY THE MEANS!!! I am talking about encouraging a citizenry to choose saving foreign lives and being willing to sacrifice serious comfort in so doing.
With any luck we'll never make the mistake again you say? I am talking about insanity, of doing the same thing over and over (look at Vietnam) and expecting different results. I am talking about the evil of lesser evilism among the evil of not so lesser evilism. I am talking about military geopolitical gamesmanship vs. a moral commitment to partnering with humanity to save each other and the precious earth that seems doomed along with all of us and our descendants. I am talking about looking at the forest through moral eyes and not arguing pragmatic necessary war-games amidst the trees the patriarchy has declared its own. best, libby
we do not seem to be on the same channel with this. to me Afghanistan and Iraq ARE NOT night and day.
You are saying we are "stuck with" cleaning up ... CLEANING UP as a good thing for civilization (and some may be sincere with that within the lower levels of the ruling elite, but I challenge they are NOT the deciders), or CLEANING UP AS A CRIMINAL PROFITEERING THING? The latter is what is happening obscenely.
You are still speaking it seems to me more from the patriarchal power, control and competition mindset. I am talking about a humanist paradigm shift to partnership and cooperation mind AND heart-set. I am talking about "thou shalt not kill" as a code to operate a nation from. I am talking about diplomacy and cooperation. I am talking about THE ENDS DON'T JUSTIFY THE MEANS!!! I am talking about encouraging a citizenry to choose saving foreign lives and being willing to sacrifice serious comfort in so doing.
With any luck we'll never make the mistake again you say? I am talking about insanity, of doing the same thing over and over (look at Vietnam) and expecting different results. I am talking about the evil of lesser evilism among the evil of not so lesser evilism. I am talking about military geopolitical gamesmanship vs. a moral commitment to partnering with humanity to save each other and the precious earth that seems doomed along with all of us and our descendants. I am talking about looking at the forest through moral eyes and not arguing pragmatic necessary war-games amidst the trees the patriarchy has declared its own. best, libby
typo within my comment to tg within re MLK, should read US is "greatest" purveyor of violence, not "greater" ... sorry
It has never made any sense to me
how people start to hate
when they profess a love
of a personal savior
excellent post
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how people start to hate
when they profess a love
of a personal savior
excellent post
rated with love
There will be widespread disbelief and denial of these facts because they (and their implications) are simply too horrible for most people to contemplate. But teh 95.5% of humanity that are not US citizens will know they are true and draw the appropriate conclusions from them. When they show their hostility and contempt for US blandiishments and platitudes, Americans will say "What's wrong with them? Why do they hate us? What did we ever do to them?"
Very thoughtful and timely post. What I found really troubling following the 2004 Abu Graib scandal was the way torture was promoted on TV programs, such as 24 and similar action series. They used to make me so sick to my stomach I had to switch off.
I think this is all coming from the mindset of the statement I hear so often of late Libby, that it is better to kill them 'over there' than let them come over here...
Replace the word military with death while reading and somehow the killing, pillaging and destruction makes better sense.
How long can Americans keep running the death department and calling it supporting our troops no matter what acts they do, no matter how much total insanity is involved??
When those very troops turn on our own population.
Unfortunately, I'd say that time is not far off.
Then those same folks will scream bloody murder.
And it will be too late to cry any tears...
Replace the word military with death while reading and somehow the killing, pillaging and destruction makes better sense.
How long can Americans keep running the death department and calling it supporting our troops no matter what acts they do, no matter how much total insanity is involved??
When those very troops turn on our own population.
Unfortunately, I'd say that time is not far off.
Then those same folks will scream bloody murder.
And it will be too late to cry any tears...
RP, totally agree with you on this. Ferocious religiosity has more to do with ego and less to do with spirit! best, libby
Thanks, Donegal. The more I am reading the more horror I feel as to the fast hardening of soft fascism in America. We really do deserve the disdaining label of sheeple. Or maybe near dead boiled frogs. Remember the old joke about how people say "F*** you" in Hollywood? "Trust me." Well, Obama and DC pols are doing that non-stop to us. Saying one and doing the other. best, libby
Stuart, thanks for your comment. More and more is coming out on the torture program of Bush and its covert continuation under Obama. Obama is now prosecuting a CIA whistleblower disclosing horrifying torture instead of prosecuting the bottom feeding scum sucking monsters who perpetrated and perpetrate it.
There was an ad for what I thought was a tv show but turned out to be a movie, Unthinkable, with Samuel Jackson which had a grizzly trailer. I, too, was concerned about the romanticizing of torture with heroic 24, Jack what's his name. I never saw it actually. I remember watching the old spy movies and admiring the personal courage of the risk takers just signing up that they were on the side of the angels!!! No, they were prostituting their lives and endangering others and their own for their government's interests. And the more we learn of the government interests the more we learn it is for the psychopathic profitmaking one percent and death and violence is certainly okay with them on the rest of us. Where is the outrage? Such gross detachment among our citizenry!
hope you are doing well at your end. best, libby
There was an ad for what I thought was a tv show but turned out to be a movie, Unthinkable, with Samuel Jackson which had a grizzly trailer. I, too, was concerned about the romanticizing of torture with heroic 24, Jack what's his name. I never saw it actually. I remember watching the old spy movies and admiring the personal courage of the risk takers just signing up that they were on the side of the angels!!! No, they were prostituting their lives and endangering others and their own for their government's interests. And the more we learn of the government interests the more we learn it is for the psychopathic profitmaking one percent and death and violence is certainly okay with them on the rest of us. Where is the outrage? Such gross detachment among our citizenry!
hope you are doing well at your end. best, libby
Mission, so well said, but so sad and chilling, too.
"Better to kill them over there" .... WHY? Do people really think Middle Easterners would care about killing us in this country if we had not devastated their lives for profit? And still my money is on they are not out for revenge, the survivors of what we are doing. They are in shock over what kind of a nation is so horrifyingly cruel and bullying and violent.
D*mn right it is the "death department" being run! Insanity is certainly the word for it all. And doing the same thing over and over and being dismayed at the results? We are. Our government pimping for the profiteers that wants the world to catch fire with civil unrest and devastation, the better to sweep in and pillage and loot, they aren't dismayed!!!!
They say addicts don't care about reality and the greed addicts are destroying the world including the physical planet and climate itself. Poisoning it, but when you are sociopathic you have no loyalty even to your own descendants.
And yes, we are "conditioning" our troops to be non-feeling murderers and do people really think that can be turned off when they come home? Some will be suicidal and some will be homicidal.
Thanks, Mission. I know I have become "Debbie Downer" on os, but so be it. best, libby
"Better to kill them over there" .... WHY? Do people really think Middle Easterners would care about killing us in this country if we had not devastated their lives for profit? And still my money is on they are not out for revenge, the survivors of what we are doing. They are in shock over what kind of a nation is so horrifyingly cruel and bullying and violent.
D*mn right it is the "death department" being run! Insanity is certainly the word for it all. And doing the same thing over and over and being dismayed at the results? We are. Our government pimping for the profiteers that wants the world to catch fire with civil unrest and devastation, the better to sweep in and pillage and loot, they aren't dismayed!!!!
They say addicts don't care about reality and the greed addicts are destroying the world including the physical planet and climate itself. Poisoning it, but when you are sociopathic you have no loyalty even to your own descendants.
And yes, we are "conditioning" our troops to be non-feeling murderers and do people really think that can be turned off when they come home? Some will be suicidal and some will be homicidal.
Thanks, Mission. I know I have become "Debbie Downer" on os, but so be it. best, libby
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